Heart surgery by teleportation…

Beyond the indisputable educational interest, the use of the metaverse and especially augmented reality in medicine can make it possible to “transport” operational teams thousands of kilometers away. Insight into a futuristic medical practice with Patrick Nataf and Boris Hansel.


Boris Hansel- Hello to everyone. Do you know teleportation and metaverse (or metaverse)? It sounds like science fiction, but we will see that it has applications, for today and tomorrow. We talk about it with Patrick Nataf, who is a professor of cardiac surgery. We coordinate together APHP Affiliated Health Responsibility CenterCRSC, which, with Paris Cité University has a teaching mission. We have also proposed for the year 2023 a University degree which is called “metaverse in health “. This is the innovation of e-health teaching, you can also register, it starts in March.

But back to the topic of the day, involving the metaverse and teleportation. For many, the metaverse is a figment of the imagination, even marketing… Yes?

Patrick Nataf – Metaverse is the transposition into a virtual world. It’s probably marketing and it’s done very well by Mark Zuckerberg. But here, we will talk about something else: we are, in our research unit, working on immersive technologies and we will talk more about teleportation, that is, transposition into a real universe, and not into a virtual universe.

Operating capsule (source: Pr Patrick Nataf)

Boris Hansel- Does this mean we will “teleport”? Will you teleport surgeons? Now the teleportation of a particle seems complicated, so the teleportation of a human… Explain to us.

Patrick Nataf – In fact, we are going even further, because we will be talking about teleporting an entire surgical team to an operating room that will be 10,000 km away from us.

We will teleport an entire surgical team to an operating room that will be 10,000 km away from us.

Boris Hansel- How to teleport a surgical team so far without flying?

Patrick Nataf – It’s simple, we have a capsule that we will enter and immerse ourselves in an operating theater that will be filmed in 360°. That is, he will see the staff working in this operating room and the patient who will be in the middle of this staff, we will see the surgical techniques evolve during the intervention and we will interact with this whole universe, everyone. who is making an intervention.

Boris Hansel- So we will be able to follow directly what is happening at 10,000 km, and all this in real life? It’s not just pictures. What use is it, in practice, to you in heart surgery and in surgery in general?

Patrick Nataf – The operating room has relatively limited access – not everyone can enter. There we will allow as many people as possible to participate in an intervention. On the other hand, we will see how the surgical team will behave in this operating room. You know, there’s a lot of little codes to know, you’re not supposed to touch something that’s sterile, we’re going to be careful with everything. Above all, many are not used to following an operation or seeing how an operation is performed, there we will be able to experience it live with the actors of this intervention.

Boris Hansel- So it’s about learning, learning what’s going on and trying to adopt the right gestures, the right techniques, the right precautions…

Patrick Nataf – Here is. Good practices in general when you come back, when you are a nursing staff and you want to know what the operating theater is.

But it goes further: when you are 10,000 km away and you have a special technique to learn, instead of taking the plane to move, watching the surgeon operate, you will be directly before the operation and we will interact with the operator. , with the anesthesiologists, with the nurses who manage the operating room and at the same time watch what happens on the monitors when the patient is operated on.

Boris Hansel- We can learn what’s going on, the technique, etc. Now we will go even further: can we imagine one day that you, Pr Nataf, the expert, could operate at 10,000 km being in this teleportation capsule?

Patrick Nataf – We will not operate directly. We will use tools, especially mixed reality helmets, augmented reality helmets, to be able to show in real time, positioning our hands and instruments exactly in the field of operation of the person performing this intervention that he know him less well. Instead of operating live, we will guide the surgeon step by step through each gesture, it will be live, it will be reality. It is a reality that we call “augmented reality” or “mixed reality”, that is, we will interfere with reality by digitizing our hands, our instruments.

We will intervene in reality with the digitization of our hands, our instruments.

Boris Hansel- Obviously, the operator will see your hands on the helmet and he will place his hands over yours to make the appropriate gestures to the patient’s heart.

Augmented reality operation (source: Pr Patrick Nataf)

Patrick Nataf – Exactly. He will know exactly where to go, what to do as a move, as a technique, he can change the operating strategy after being told what to do.

Boris Hansel- Thank you very much, Patrick Nataf. You will have a lot of other information, because of course we will communicate on this topic.

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